Welcome to episode 52 of the Crushing it in Real Estate Podcast with special co-host this week, Joanne Tan! This week we have Andrew Luong! Andrew is an active real estate investor, entrepreneur, and currently the co-founder and CEO at Doorvest, a venture-back real estate tech company. Please join us this week as we dive deep into Andrew’s experiences and learn more in-depth about his real estate journey!


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Bryan: [00:00:22] Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Crushing In Real Estate. This week I have my co-host Joanne Tan, and we’re interviewing Andrew Luong of Doorvest. So, Andrew, welcome to the show. 

Andrew: [00:00:36] Yeah, thanks for having me on big, big fan of your work and of the podcast. So excited to be here with you today. 

Bryan: [00:00:42] We’re super excited to have you here too.

Andrew, can you introduce yourself real quick and tell us who you are? 

Andrew: [00:00:47] Yeah. So, I’m Andrew, a real estate investor, entrepreneur, nerd for all things, sort of tech and innovation, et cetera. And I guess currently the co-founder and CEO of a company called Doorvest, a modern frictionless way to own high yield rental homes, uh, entirely online.

Bryan: [00:01:06] Wow. Can you tell us a little more about Doorvest, how you start with? 

Andrew: [00:01:10] For sure, for sure. So, I’d say the story, it goes back about seven years ago, sort of was, going to university in San Francisco, on a pre-med track. Actually, but I think because of sheer luck of being in San Francisco, sort of the heart of the startup ecosystem, uh, backed my way into my first gig at a startup, a company called misfit.

We did like consumer electronics. Company ultimately did really well, uh, sold to fossil. Um, I think I, I came away with it with two key learnings. First of which was, uh, loved being in SF, wanted to spend my time building early stage companies. But secondly, and probably more importantly was that had a little bit of capital, was looking to put it to work. Generating some income and sort of building some long-term wealth. And so, after losing my shirt with like day trading and stocks and you name it, landed upon single family rentals, ended up scaling the portfolio to 12 doors, sort of at the height of the portfolio. And then continued to do that passively while, while being in early stage companies, and kind of saw the pain of all of our other friends and people within the extended network.

And I’m sure a lot of your audience that want to get started but couldn’t, and so, I mean, after hearing this over and over, at some point we, we decided maybe we could rebuild  real estate investing as it is  in a really modern sort of frictionless way, and bring it to everyone. 

Bryan: [00:02:38] Wow. That’s awesome there. I mean, totally relatable, you know, losing your shirt. I invested in my thought before real estate and honestly, it didn’t go so well for me. You know, I’m not sure about Joanne, you know. Joanne, did you invest into real estate first? 

Joanne: [00:02:55] Stocks first. Yeah. One of my friends that was a stockbroker, so they kind of showed us how to do it as a kid. But for me and stocks, I’m kind of just like a buy in, never look at it again. 

Bryan: [00:03:11] Real estate, you know, I never looked at them, but yeah. I mean, that’s, that’s really cool. Like, can you walk us through like some of the use cases of your product and what is, what we’re going to learn a lot more about Doorvest.

Andrew: [00:03:27] Yeah, for sure. Sort of the way that we approached that, I mean, at a real high level, it’s like, how do we help sort of busy working people own these rental homes that I’m sure you both are familiar with from a personal level. And so, the sort of our approach to that is we’ll work with our customers on their investment objectives. So, everything from how much capital they were looking to deploy to what their risk tolerance is to what the expected ROI is, et cetera. And then drove us actually what we’ll go out, we’ll buy the home up first based on their criteria. We’ll renovate it. Usually we’ll do about 30k taken care of a lot of the big-ticket items all up front.  And then we’ll place a resident. So, the idea is to provide a lot of certainty. So, once the structure itself is ready to go, and the resident’s play is in place, we’ll then sell it back to our customers, step aside, and then just sort of take up the management component. And so, sort of the high-level concept is a busy working person, maybe some, one of your audience, or maybe you in a previous life, et cetera, is able to come up with about 30,000 as a down payment. And Doorvest kind of handles the rest. 

Bryan: [00:04:39] That’s awesome. I mean, what is your target market right now? Like where are you guys investing? 

Andrew: [00:04:46] Yep. So, we’re based in San Francisco. Most of our customers are coastal, so expensive places like again, San Francisco, LA, New York. And then our investment market, we’re focused in Houston.

Bryan: [00:04:58] Nice. Yeah, Houston, a great area, you know, it does have its challenges just because a lot of careers are in the 50. 50-year, 200-year flood zones. 

Andrew: [00:05:09] Yep. Yep. Very careful. Yep. 

Bryan: [00:05:12] But I think other than that, like the Houston market is really good for rental, good families, great schools. So, I think you pick the correct market, you know?

Andrew: [00:05:21] Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, for sure. That’s definitely something that we avoid is that like the flood zones too. The focus is like being able to get some cashflow in the short term. But being passive and reliable enough where our sort of our customers could hold this for the long term. And so, having a home flood is probably not conducive to, to passive.

Bryan: [00:05:41] So do you have a team out there that sources deals for you or as a company, or how do you guys sourcing these deals and you know, what are some lessons learned that we can apply as investors. 

Andrew: [00:05:51] Yeah. So, I guess the first answer is yes. We’re based in San Francisco, we’ve always been semi-distributed, so we have an operations and acquisitions team over in Houston. And in terms of sourcing deals, I think sort of the first wave of real estate tech companies. So, like, if you think about like a Trulia or Redfin or like a Zillow, they brought a lot of the data online which is very fortunate about that. And so, the way that we source deals is sort of aggregating all that data. So, a lot of like the public data that’s online, almost all of the real estate data is available online, so we can analyze all, all of that. And then the last sort of 5 to 10% is our acquisitions team. Boots on the ground. Being able to obviously go into the homes and view the conditions, et cetera. 

Bryan: [00:06:39] That’s awesome. You know, I mean, that’s really important to you to really have your team out there to kind of evaluate everything for you. Honestly, your team sounds like it’s perfect, you know, automates everything for me if I was busy, you know, because I know the hardest part about real estate investing is definitely circulating these deals and managing the property, sell. A lot of people who just get into real estate don’t really know how much work is involved with these properties. It’s usually like if I buy it, I get X amount of cashflow, but people don’t think about everything in between, you know, it’s the people aspect of it, the maintenance aspect of it. It’s all there, you know? 

Andrew: [00:07:22] Yeah. 

Bryan: [00:07:23] Ok.

Andrew: [00:07:24] Yeah was just going to say, I think the interesting part is people kind of approach quote, unquote real estate investing as like one cohesive thing. But realistically it’s like, how do you identify a market? And then how do you identify a home? And then how do you buy it? And then how do you fix it up? How do you lease it out? How do you manage it? It’s a string of a lot of different sort of pearls that you’re jumping into. And I think a lot of people don’t really realize it initially. 

Bryan: [00:07:52] Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I do agree with that. And thank you so much for creating a seamless process for especially Bay Area investors. 

Andrew: [00:08:01] Yeah. That’s the hope for sure. 

Bryan: [00:08:03] Yeah, it just, I was kind of curious too, to hear more about the competition that you’re facing, you know, like what kind of companies out there that have similar products and what, how are you guys doing things better than them?

Andrew: [00:08:15] Yeah. So, I’d probably group our, sort of the ancillary, I guess investment, products into maybe three different categories. So, first of which, it’s just like, oftentimes people are either sitting on their savings account or they’re saving for their 401k, or maybe they’re trading stocks like we were talking about earlier. So that’s probably one sort of side competitor. Secondly, is someone like a Memphis invest? So like sort of traditional turnkey providers, I’m sure you, you recognize the name. They’re really awesome and are kind of like the pioneer in that direction. But then lastly, I think it’s also like DIY people, like probably how I got started or you got started or Duran got started. I think it’s definitely the DIY people, and I think those people maybe have a different set of criteria that they’re looking for as well. Certain people I think, want to do it themselves. I think we all did it that way. But I think some, a good number of others want to have it done for them, and sort of teed up for them. And so that’s, I think that’s where we, we fit into the market. 

Joanne: [00:09:22] Yes. Similarly talking about how different people are looking for different things. You know, some people are DIY or some people want more hands off. I’m sure people have different reasons for what they do too, right? So, wondering about your reason for why you do what you’re doing now, Andrew.

Andrew: [00:09:39] Yeah, that’s a good one that I think… yeah, I’d say as of right now, I feel really fortunate that, I mean, I’ve done fairly okay for myself from a financial standpoint because of the real estate. And I’ve also seen firsthand sort of people within the extended network that have been wanting to do it for just so long, like they couldn’t get started. And I think if we could, we, as humans could reach certain levels of like, financial milestones or independence or whatever you want to call it, I think that’s where human potential gets unlocked. Maybe more people will start podcasts or they become like start nonprofits or maybe they start a startup, or travel the world with their family. That’s sort of the North star for me, is how do we use technology to help people sort of accomplish these personal milestones?

Joanne: [00:10:29] That’s so true. And do you have any words of advice for people trying to start out or wanting to reach their potential? Just getting started.

Andrew: [00:10:37] Yeah. I think that the main one is just getting started, like you said, at the end of it. I mean my first deal was, I mean, a total train wreck, and we could get into that some other time 

Bryan: [00:10:49] I want to hear more about it. 

Andrew: [00:10:51] Yeah. I mean the first deal, like I said earlier, when you’re starting to real estate invest, there’s just so many items that you’re having to check off. I knew there was a lot of items, so I tried to hack through it. So, I found a home that I liked, it was resident occupied, so I didn’t have to think about sort of the placement. And then I use the listing agent as my buyer’s agent, and also use this listing agent, buyer’s agent as my property manager. And then we finally closed, I’m like celebrating my first home, $96,000 a home in Sacramento, maybe six or seven years ago. And then within two weeks, resident gives us notice. I’m like, Oh crap. Now I have to figure out one how to renovate it. Never done this before. And then secondly, how to finally place a resident once it’s done finish the renovations. Feel good about that. Place a resident. Little did I know at the time, but a property manager had no experience. I obviously had no experience. We sort of did all the unforced errors possible. And then unfortunately within about a year, not even a year actually, we were doing an eviction on my first run toll. So overall, I mean, it was probably as bad as they could possibly be. But I would say fortunate to have gotten started. And without that first one, I don’t think we, I would have gone multiple after. And I’d say probably the first one isn’t going to like make you wealthy and it’s also, hopefully doesn’t kill you.

And so, the key there is really just getting started learning and then sort of iterating from there.

Joanne: [00:12:31] It sounds like you had a lot of lessons learned from that course. So…

Andrew: [00:12:35] Oh yeah. Tons.

Joanne: [00:12:37] Any recent success stories you want to share? 

Andrew: [00:12:41] Yeah. I’d say, I mean, a lot of my time now is focused around Doorvest, and so we’ve been growing at a steady clip and I’m really proud of it. And I think our customers are really happy. And so that’s again, sort of that the north star metric for me now. I mean, as long as we continue to grow sustainably, I’m really happy about it and I’m quite proud of it too. 

Bryan: [00:13:05] Yeah. I mean, I’m kind of curious too. Can you kind of walk us through like a deal, your Doorvest, that you guys made?

How’d you find it? How’d you fix it? Cause I know that, you know, can we come back to your first story about buying your first rental and things didn’t work out. But it’s totally different beast when you are investing out of state because there’s somethings that you can’t control, you know, you’re like, how do I, how do I manage this? You know, how did you apply in your lessons, learned from your first deal to forming Doorvest and investing out of state, and Houston? Yeah. 

Andrew: [00:13:39] Yeah. So, I’d say, I mean, one of my key learnings early on, probably around that same experience was that there’s typically tradeoffs. So, if you’re buying a home that has say, I don’t know, 15%, 20% cash on cash projected, usually the trade off 

Bryan: [00:13:58] is to our listeners.

Andrew: [00:13:59] Yeah, for sure. So, it’s sort of the, the capital that you’re coming up with to buy the home. So, say your down payment plus your closing costs, and then that you take your annual rents minus all of your expenses and divided by your initial investment. Nice. Yeah. And so, sort of a, I mean, I learned that, you could be targeting 15, 20% cash on cash all day. It sounds really great on paper but oftentimes the tradeoff there is you’re buying really old homes in tougher neighborhoods with that attract lower quality residents. And so that was definitely one of the biggest learnings was, for myself personally, and for Doorvest. We’re looking for homes that generate cashflow, good cashflow. Usually the average home is about 150,000 cash on cash. We’re looking at anywhere from six to 12% obviously depending on their, the specifics of the home. And that actually the crazy part is that we built a calculator in house that quantifies, all of the real estate benefits.

So cash flow and appreciation and equity buildup and tax breaks. And if you’re looking at this over like a long-term time horizon, say 10 years, our customers are expecting anywhere between 30 and 35 percent annually, ROI, when you’re factoring all of those factors in. And so average home for Doorvest has about $150,000, 1400 per month in rent.

Bryan: [00:15:32] Well, yeah. And just for our listeners to be careful, you guys analyze a deal. If the numbers seem too good to be true in real estate, most likely it’s too good to be true. 

Andrew: [00:15:42] Yeah, for sure. 

Bryan: [00:15:43] Yeah. Like some absurd, like return your money. But you’re going to return the money after you have to rebate.

Andrew: [00:15:53] A hundred percent.

Yeah, no, that, that was like a, it was a pretty surreal learning. It was like the first home I looked for the cheapest home in the worst possible neighborhood in Sacramento. And then, I mean, I went through the school of hard knocks as, as we kind of talked about earlier. 

Bryan: [00:16:09] Yeah. I mean, it’s cool. I mean, so do you buy at a discount?

So, I know you mentioned the average prices are one 50, so yeah, so I would assume that’s the purchase price. So, what would like the ARV after repair costs, to make those numbers work? 

Andrew: [00:16:24] Yeah. So that would actually be the ARV is around 150. Usually we’ll buy about a, we’ll buy about a hundred to 110, and then we’ll do anywhere between 20 and 30,000 in renovations.

Usually, we don’t consider ourselves for the first, I’d say most flippers look to do about 20% as a spread. We just charge an 8% transaction fee on top of our all-in costs. So, purchase price was renovation. We’ll add in 8%. Our goal is to sell the home slightly below market value as well.

Bryan: [00:16:57] Okay. Yeah. I mean, that sounds really kind of neighborhoods. Are you targeting Houston too? 

Andrew: [00:17:04] Yup. So high quality neighborhoods, planned subdivisions, sort of like, and cookie cutter homes, like three-bedroom, two bath, two car garages that are built 1978, 70 and above. So, homes that are really attractive to, sort of like, long-term focused residents.

I think you kind of touched upon that a little bit earlier.

Bryan: [00:17:25] Yeah. I mean, those are obviously great criteria as, and. You know, when you, as a buy and hold investor, some takeaways from here is like, you know, you always want things at a discount, you know, and you want to buy in decent neighborhoods too. Especially as an early investor, you want to go towards a neighborhood that is somewhat stable. Cause I don’t like most, I like you almost, it’s almost people get kind of discouraged after their first deal that they didn’t do so well in. 

Andrew: [00:17:52] Oh, interesting. I actually didn’t know that. 

Bryan: [00:17:54] Yeah. I mean, I have met some people who have given up after their first deal because they went so bad. But the fact that you learn from him, he came back and he got started. He came back stronger. The bounce backs will is what is the best story? You know? 

Andrew: [00:18:08] Yeah, I think it’s just like my naivete and sort of like hopeless optimism. I was like, this sounds great. I just want to keep going. And I think most people, you can’t expect them to have that sort of naivete.

Bryan: [00:18:22] That’s perfect for like a tech founder mentality, you know, because as a tech founder, a company founder, we’re not like you always, as a leader, you always have to be overly optimistic about certain things, because if you’re the one like negative about everything your teammates and your employees are looking at you and be like, you know, our leader is like not, he’s freaking out right now.

Andrew: [00:18:45] Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. 

Bryan: [00:18:49] So what are your long-term goals and short-term goals and when, what your company and real state. 

Andrew: [00:18:56] Yep. So, I guess personally, I mean, continuing to just gradually add on more and more single-family rentals, it seems to be a really good sort of a passive side income for me.

And then obviously the goal is to build some long-term wealth at the end of the line on this. In terms of Doorvest, I think, I mean, what we’re building towards and where we want to be is how do you buy a rental home with all of the data, make an educated decision entirely online and within a matter of clicks. And the hope with that is hopefully as we’re able to accomplish that more and more people can tap into the power of single-family rentals. And that beyond that, I mean the entry price of a single-family rental, it’s doable but it’s not doable for everyone. And so, the next step is how do we make sure.

Everyone can sort of get into real estate, maybe with a hundred dollars or $500, et cetera.

Joanne: [00:19:57] Looking to lower the barrier of entry.

Andrew: [00:20:00] Absolutely. And so, the first step is sort of like these single-family rentals, everyone buys one, it’s like a one to one direct ownership. Average sort of down payment is maybe 30 or 40,000. But that’s also not a chump change and not everyone has that. And so gradually how do we start here? Uh, and then bring the, the barrier down and down.

Joanne: [00:20:23] Are you thinking about creating a fund, then?

Andrew: [00:20:25] I think the direction there is probably a fractional at some point, obviously with SCC regulations and whatnot, if you’re going for, if you’re fractionalizing then it’s only for accredited investors, and it kind of defeats the purpose of trying to build a product for people to get in for say $500.

And so, do not have a clear game plan there. But that’s definitely a good direction that we’d like to go.

Joanne: [00:20:51] Interesting to see what you come up with.

Andrew: [00:20:54] Yeah. Excited to. Hopefully we can execute on that.

Joanne: [00:20:58] For people who are interested in maybe getting in with Doorvest, wondering about the process, like after they’ve found a decent market within Houston, a property that they like, you know, you said purchase prices around like 150 that’s after repairs that you’ve all done for them. How does the property management piece look like? Is that where you are having a long-term relationship now with this person? Is the property manager, someone you hire in is part of your team in-house or are they a contractor?

Andrew: [00:21:30] Yes. So, they’re in-house actually. So, when we were building Doorvest, we’re thinking about sort of a incentive alignment between ourselves as a business and sort of a long-term focused passive real estate investor.  And I’ve seen this personally, too. It’s like real estate investing is a long-term game. Buying the home is definitely one huge, huge step. A lot of people can’t clear that hurdle. But even beyond that, and kind of like what you were saying earlier, Bryan, about people having terrible experiences, we didn’t want to be the company that was just selling them the home and stepping away and sort of a washing your hands clean. We wanted to partner with them for the long-term, and we think actually from a business standpoint, if we could help these people buy their first rental, they have an awesome experience working with us and they’re generating the good returns that we told them that they should get.  What’s stopping them from coming back and buying more homes from us. And so, we do the management in-house, to be able to partner with these, with our customers, sort of for the long term.

Joanne: [00:22:36] Interesting. So, do you charge a percentage for property management?

Andrew: [00:22:41] We do. So, we charge 15% of the gross monthly rents. I saw Brian’s eyebrow go out. It sounds a little bit higher than market rate. The reason for that is again, incentive alignment so we don’t ever charge resident placement fees. Most property managers do that, in my sort of a humble and personal experience, I’ve seen that go up bad, where the property manager is kind of incentivized to have your resident move out every year to be able to earn that management or the placement fee.

We also don’t charge maintenance markups. Another thing that we think kind of misaligned incentives. So just one clear cut, 15% and only for homes that are income generating and while their income generated.

Joanne: [00:23:27] Nice. And what about when they reached the end of their cycle and they’re ready to sell? Have you gone through any sales yet? What does that look like for a Doorvest investor?

Andrew: [00:23:36] Yup. So, we always recommend, sort of customers be buying it long-term. And so, it’s not like a short flip or anything like that. But yeah, we’ve had customers look to cash out for whatever reason, maybe it’s personal and they’re buying a primary or maybe they just need some capital for whatever reason. And so, we were able to sell it back into the marketplace. So, sort of that, there’s a customer on the other side of the spectrum that is looking to buy their first home and there’s a customer that’s owned it for a little bit of time and is looking to cash out. We’ll broker that transaction. We know this home really well and we can vouch for it, and then we’ll broker that transaction then sell it back to someone else on the marketplace.

Joanne: [00:24:20] You are actually acting as a brokerage or you’ve partnered with a brokerage out in Houston.

Andrew: [00:24:26] Yeah. What were the brokers as well? 

So sort of a full stack kind of end to end on that.

Joanne: [00:24:33] Interesting model.

Andrew: [00:24:35] Thank you. 

Bryan: [00:24:38] Yeah, really cool model. Yeah. Hey, Andrew. What kind of advice do you have someone like, just say, for example, someone wants to create like a similar kind of flow in self needs? You kind of advice you ask them when just starting out in this industry, you know, advise them just jumping in and having you as a mentor, or did you advice someone going there? Go out there and invest first? Like what’s an advisable path. If I wanted to join what you’re doing, what kind of advice can you give us? 

Andrew: [00:25:11] Yes. So, I guess, is this a specific to real estate or to tech or combination 

Bryan: [00:25:19] Combination, you know?

Andrew: [00:25:20] Okay. Yeah, so I definitely say like, I mean, sort of the north star for us as a company and I think how we got started is just like feeling our own pain points. Sort of the things that we wish we saw in the world. And then what’s sort of the quickest route to getting this out to market, and seeing how people feel about it, because all of those learnings, again a lot of this goes back to learnings – the learnings that you’re getting from putting something out there, is so important and that helps you help shape how you build from, from there on out. 

So probably the top advice I’d say is figure out something that you’d like to see in the world, putting it out there, see how people respond to it and then build from there.

Bryan: [00:26:00] Perfect. I love that, you know, so that’s always the best place to start, you know, envisioning what people need and the part of market fit and all that stuff and come out there and just try it. Cause you never know where things are going to take you. I mean, that’s always been my personal philosophy to you, and it’s really great to see that you have that. And Joanne has that as well, you know? So, props to that. What is your, currently, what is your favorite book, podcast, or any other mediums that you draw inspiration from?

Andrew: [00:26:30] Yeah. So, I’d say a podcast, love the Crushing A Real Estate Podcast. Fan. So, thank you. And definitely keep it up in terms of books, I mean, you’ve probably heard this one, many times before, but Rich Dad Poor Dad definitely shaped a lot of how I view personal finances, a huge one. And then I think maybe another podcast one would be like Tim Ferriss’s podcast. I love how he gets really broad with sort of his guests and then once he finds the guests, he goes really deep with them. Really fascinating to kind of step into someone else’s brain, especially when they’re like in a totally different sort of industry or life and vertical from yourself.

Bryan: [00:27:13] I think that was really important to you that once you start into real estate, that you continue networking with not only real estate investors, but people also in your industry as well. And it’s really easy the more you get into your niche that you’re starting to miss things that you don’t catch before, or you are because you’re so like tunnel vision into what you’re doing, you miss the things that are like complete obvious, you know. 

Andrew: [00:27:37] For sure. 

Bryan: [00:27:37] What you bring up a good point with Tim Ferriss and how he brings on a different array of people. You know, I, yeah. I definitely encourage people to like listen to other stories and learn a lot more. And it helps you as a person, a lot.

Andrew: [00:27:50] 100% I agree. 

Bryan: [00:27:52] So I guess we have about two more questions. So, if you can redo any part of your real estate career all over again, which part would it be and why? 

Andrew: [00:28:04] Yeah. I think about this sometimes, on one end of the spectrum, it’s kind of like, I think, I mean, ultimately, I did, from a personal standpoint, I think I did pretty well for myself. And I’m really happy about that and feel so fortunate about that. But on the other, the other end of the spectrum, as we kind of explored earlier, there was definitely a lot of things that could have been done better. I’d say if I were to start over, maybe it would be instead of kind of just diving head in by myself, and thinking I could do this better than others and kind of reinventing the wheel, maybe looking for a platform or a mentor or a person that I could lean on them, trust their judgment, vet them, and then trust their judgment versus spending all that time on the individual deals. Because kind of like what you said earlier, I think if you haven’t seen this before, you don’t really know what you’re looking for, but someone else has probably gone through many repetitions of that and they could kind of show you the books and help you skip through an eviction in the first year, for instance.

Bryan: [00:29:12] Whatever you said behind that statement, you know, like, you have to go out there and find mentors who are willing to help you. And what you realize is a lot of people are more generous than you think they are.

All you have to do is ask some time, you know, get over your fears. Like it’s okay to sound like you’re a newbie, and it’s okay because if you are a newbie and you sound like you knew what you’re doing, then when. No, that would turn some people off. Just be honest, you know, 

Andrew: [00:29:40] Hey, that was me too, by the way, like the newbie that thought that he knew everything that was not ideal.

Bryan: [00:29:47] It’s okay. Me, you turn out your real estate career to not real well, you know, as long as you live from that thing. So, tell the guests, like, don’t be afraid to admit you don’t know, you know.

Andrew: [00:30:00] For sure.

Bryan: [00:30:00] You just have to build a stronger foundation that way. 

Definitely. So, I guess the final question is how can our audience learn more about you or contact you?

Andrew: [00:30:09] Yeah. So, I’d say the vast majority of my time now is spent on Doorvest. Definitely many, many hours spent on Doorvest. So is a really good start. I’d say back to sort of your, your last point is people love to help, and I feel the same way as well. Again, I feel really fortunate that real estate has done so much for me. And so always love talking about real estate or tech or any personal finance thing. So andrew@doorvest is always a good way to get in touch. 

Bryan: [00:30:40] Definitely include that in the show notes. Hey, I appreciate you being the show and thank you so much for your time.

Andrew: [00:30:47] Yeah. Thank you. But this was, yeah, this was a lot of fun. Thanks for including me. 

Bryan: [00:30:51] Yeah, of course. Thank you.

Andrew: [00:30:53] See ya.